CNBC Sport: Disney and YouTube TV stalemate drags on

Published Thu, Nov 13 202510:02 AM ESTUpdated Thu, Nov 13 20251:06 PM EST

Alex Sherman @in/alex-sherman @sherman4949

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Disney and YouTube TV are in the longest Disney carriage blackout ever, topping 2024's DirecTV dispute, which lasted 13 days.
Disney reported earnings Thursday morning, but there was no update on the dispute.

A version of this article first appeared in the CNBC Sport newsletter with Alex Sherman, which brings you the biggest news and exclusive interviews from the worlds of sports business and media. Sign up to receive future editions, straight to your inbox. It's day 14 of the Disney - YouTube TV standoff. This marks the longest Disney carriage blackout ever, topping 2024's DirecTV dispute, which lasted 13 days. From what I've heard, the sides have moved significantly closer to making a deal, with a lot of progress made in the past 24 hours. I can verify the sides were discussing the agreement late into the night last night. Disney reported earnings this morning, and you know executives are going to field questions from analysts during the earnings call about the business impact of the standoff. Morgan Stanley analyst Ben Swinburne estimates Disney is losing $30 million each week its networks are off YouTube TV. Obviously it would have been nice for Disney CEO Bob Iger to do a victory lap on the earnings call this morning, but I'm told that's not going to happen. I talked about the basic details of why Disney's networks have been temporarily removed from YouTube TV in last week's newsletter – you can find it here in case you care to refamiliarize yourself. Given the progress, I want to focus on three issues I think have been underreported or ignored in the past two weeks. I'll do my best John McLaughlin impression here … "Issue No. 1!" (What? You're telling me the kids reading this don't appreciate John McLaughlin impressions?) We don't know the exact price increase Disney wants YouTube TV to pay for the right to carry its suite of networks — the most expensive of which are ESPN and ABC. But one quirk that's idiosyncratic to Disney is the company simulcasts certain "Monday Night Football" games on ABC. In other words, some "Monday Night Football" games are on both ESPN and ABC. Disney does this to allow cable and noncable subscribers to watch particular games. But it also allows the company to essentially double charge pay TV providers by arguing the popularity of "Monday Night Football" (the most popular program on cable TV by far) adds significant value to both ESPN and ABC. No other media company that owns a broadcast network uses this simulcast strategy. I don't know for sure if the Disney double-dipping issue is particularly irritating to YouTube TV, but Awful Announcing mentioned it this week as a potential sticking point , and logic suggests it would be one. Still, this issue hasn't tripped up Disney from reaching carriage agreements with other large providers — including Comcast just a few weeks ago — so I don't think it's a huge deal, but it's worth noting as a sports angle to this big fight. "Issue No. 2!" I mentioned last week that a side issue of contention between Disney and YouTube TV is whether Disney's streaming services should be sold in YouTube's Primetime Channels. I still think this is a minor issue to pure economics, but it's an interesting one worth some analysis and explanation. Channels allow someone watching YouTube TV to access premium networks and some streaming services within the YouTube platform. Amazon Prime Video has a Channels store, too. For most media companies, Channels isn't a sticking point in a carriage deal. Warner Bros. Discovery has always sold HBO as an add-on channel, so it doesn't mind selling HBO Max the same way. The same is true for Paramount, which has turned what used to be called Showtime into a premium cable network vessel for Paramount+ content. Similarly, NBCUniversal plans to launch a sports network so that it can function as a cable equivalent of Peacock for sports. That network will debut Monday — first just for YouTube TV subscribers. Consequently, HBO Max, Paramount+ and Peacock are all sold in both Amazon Channels and YouTube Primetime Channels. But Disney isn't available on Amazon Channels, and it has told YouTube TV that it has no intention of joining YouTube Channels. Disney wants its subscribers watching in its own ecosystem. It has spent many millions of dollars to integrate ESPN and Hulu into Disney+. It wants a direct relationship with its consumers — and the data that comes with that. So why does YouTube TV care? It has to do with the amount of content that's exclusive to Disney's subscription streaming services. There are billions of dollars worth of valuable programming — new and old — on Disney+ and Hulu that can't be accessed with a typical cable subscription. That makes Disney different from Fox and NBCUniversal — other media companies that have recently reached deals with YouTube TV. While Peacock does have some original entertainment programming on its service that can't be accessed through an NBCU cable channel, it's de minimis compared with what's on Disney+ (which now includes both Hulu and ESPN). From what I've been told, YouTube TV gave up early on the idea that Disney+ would be in Channels. However, YouTube TV is still pushing to have ESPN's direct-to-consumer service available in YouTube TV — but not Channels. Instead, I'm told YouTube executives want to make sure customers will have access to any content that's available on ESPN's direct-to-consumer service (formerly known as ESPN+, now known as ESPN Unlimited because it also includes all of ESPN's programming – linear or digital) within the YouTube TV viewing experience. This is a little bit similar to Disney's deal with Charter, where Disney allowed Spectrum TV customers access to Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+. But in this case, YouTube TV subscribers won't get free Disney+ and Hulu — they'll only get ESPN Unlimited content. YouTube doesn't want to risk ESPN moving sports programming from its linear network to ESPN Unlimited over the next few years after paying a rate increase for ESPN's linear networks in this deal. Disney may also add new sports just to ESPN Unlimited, such as the announcement a few months ago to add certain WWE premium live events just to ESPN's digital service. Customers will be able to see these within YouTube TV. Of course, ESPN will also give YouTube TV subscribers access to the ESPN direct-to-consumer application through authentication — something that Disney hopes to roll out before the end of the year for both Comcast and YouTube subscribers. "Issue No. 3!" One of the most important executives for Disney in all of its distribution deals for the past five years has been Justin Connolly , most recently Disney's president of platform distribution. Connolly left Disney to join YouTube TV earlier this year. The departure was such a big deal that Disney sued YouTube for poaching him (and Connolly, himself, for breach of contract). That lawsuit settled just before Disney and YouTube TV began their blackout. Connolly has recused himself from these negotiations. Several people familiar with Connolly's influence at Disney have wondered if this blackout would be over by now had Connolly simply stayed at Disney. It's not just that there may be some bad blood between YouTube TV and Disney. It's that without him, Iger, ESPN Chairman Jimmy Pitaro and Disney's head of TV, Dana Walden , have lost a reliable in-house closer on tense negotiations. Part of why these carriage negotiations can be difficult is because they contain so-called most favored nation clauses, which guarantee that rate changes are adjusted across competitors. The MFNs effectively make certain asks nonstarters, both for distributors and programmers. If YouTube TV wants dramatically better rates in future years based on projected growth, those types of sliding-scale clauses would then have to become industry standard. That's often a bridge too far for content providers, who would have to rewrite existing contracts. Whatever the specifics are in this case, no one knows the difference between feasible and "not on your life" better than Connolly. Having him away from the table on this one — and literally working for the counterparty, even if he's not involved in the deal talks — may be part of the problem. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr has now weighed in, posting Monday on X that "Google and Disney need to get a deal done and end this blackout. People should have the right to watch the programming they paid for — including football. Get it done!" From what I hear, a deal is much closer than it's been over the past two weeks. But as we sit here this morning, the wait continues. *** One other quick sports-related note – this one on the ongoing saga of who Warner Bros. Discovery would sell itself to. Two weeks ago, soon-to-be Comcast co-CEO Mike Cavanagh said during the company's earnings conference call that Comcast would be interested in acquiring "streaming assets and studio assets," given its upcoming spinoff of Versant, CNBC's future parent company and the new home to almost all of NBCUniversal's cable networks. This means any deal between Comcast and Warner Bros. Discovery would be for HBO Max and the Warner Bros. studio but not WBD's cable networks. This makes sense. Why would Comcast want a bunch of declining-revenue cable networks when it's in the process of spinning off its own cable networks? Still, I wondered, wouldn't NBCUniversal want TNT Sports? Adding TNT Sports to NBC Sports would make Comcast a juggernaut for sports rights. Yes, TNT Sports lost the NBA this season, but it still owns the rights for MLB, the NCAA Men's Basketball Championship, the NHL, U.S. Soccer, NASCAR, the French Open, and digital assets including Bleacher Report and House of Highlights. So, I asked a few well-placed sources, and here's my read: Yes, NBCU would love TNT Sports. The problem is TNT Sports is probably the most valuable part of Discovery Global, the half of WBD that Comcast doesn't want. That probably makes adding TNT Sports a moot point for NBCU. Either Comcast would need to buy all of the cable networks – something Cavanagh just said he had no interest in doing – or it would need to leave TNT Sports to go with the rest of WBD's cable assets so that those businesses can have a fighting chance of flourishing (and gaining future distribution when it has its own carriage renewal deals) as a separate publicly traded entity. Disclosure: Comcast is the parent company of NBCUniversal, which owns CNBC. 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